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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.05 01:40:00 -
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I find it funny that Riverini is making all this "noise" about botting ans such and is planning on writing and publishing a botting guide on the EVE 24 site. He apparently doesnt care about the issue as much as he does about making it worse.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.18 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Can't be good for CCP's reputation.
as compared to what other game? EVERY MMO OUT THERE has bots. and in other games, NOONE gives two ****s about them
this is like saying "EVE has bots too"
*crickets*
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.19 03:05:00 -
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lol I know what the Fanfest thing is: "Guess how many CSM have been RMT traders and bot farmer farm managers?"
Id lol
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 28/03/2011 19:47:52
Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Slate Shoa
Quote: EVE Fanfest 2011 Security Presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gZm-85JOs
From the presentation, it looks like CCP is streamlining the bot reporting process and coming up with ways to avoid having to make judgment calls for each bot report. This streamlining is good.
I would still like to hear what is being done to continually prove that bot reports are being acted upon. In the presentation CCP Sreegs was commenting about how the old bot reporting system has a bad (no) feedback system. It seemed that Sreegs was going to comment on how the new bot reporting system feedback would be changed, but then it looked like Sreegs forgot to talk about it (assuming there was something planned).
Are the players who report bots going to be notified if their reports successfully catch a botter? Is there going to be a Wall-of-Shame (or equivalent)?
If some privacy agreement is preventing CCP from disclosing the result of a bot report, then that privacy agreement needs to be changed. CCP needs to be visible in its handling of botters and continually prove to the playerbase that botters are being delt with; lack of visibility will lead to additional (and justified) anti-botter rage.
I will wait for the Devblog to be published to see if my concerns are addressed there.
Monitor it yourself. Pick a system on dotlan and watch. As of 19:00 28/3/11 there appears to be no problem with most bots on most of mine.
I'm giving CCP another 3 weeks. That is it.
If I don't see significant changes to bot numbers in that time then that's enough. After that everything is bullcrap from employees who are told what to say.
Its not rocket science. It is willpower and CCP are way way WAY overdrawn on any trust
Dude, slow burn... its gonna be slow but itll be working
lol
Originally by: Princess Scorned
And tbh not butthurt just amazed how emo people get over botting. Sure it's wrong but it's not like it's actually ruining the game for people
RIIIGHT
Cause when it gets to hundreds of titans per battle and thousands of supercaps, that wont impact anyone.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 28/03/2011 20:20:51
Originally by: Furb Killer Well supers are fundamentally broken, but still then, some growth is indeed expected, but less than a year ago it was still a big hit when Atlas lost a titan in H-W, now powerblocks are losing 10+ titans in a single fight (and still supers are build way faster than destroyed), and sure i guess it has a little impact on morale, but not more than that. Do the math how it is next year if CCP doesnt do anything about it.
1 to 10 to 100? lol
It used to be devistating to a corp to lose a a titan, a major corp, and it was unheard of for them to even HAVE 15 lol
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Furb Killer Well supers are fundamentally broken, but still then, some growth is indeed expected, but less than a year ago it was still a big hit when Atlas lost a titan in H-W, now powerblocks are losing 10+ titans in a single fight (and still supers are build way faster than destroyed), and sure i guess it has a little impact on morale, but not more than that. Do the math how it is next year if CCP doesnt do anything about it.
This really has nothing to do with bots, as the eve universe population grows this is bound to happen. The bots may have some impact on ship construction, but the ideology of blob warfare will exist without bots.
This would be true if the population increased about TEN TIMES in that time.
It didnt btw
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
This would be true if the population increased about TEN TIMES in that time.
That's not really true, you said yourself more titans are being build then destroyed. It does not take more players, it's just takes time. Bots, more players, etc is just a positive catalyst, making it happen faster.
So it happening faster is a good thing in your eyes? Is your main in a huge corp with 15 titans by chance?
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.30 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: bitters much Edited by: bitters much on 29/03/2011 11:43:56 1st time they catch you --> slap on you wrist
2nd time they catch you --> 30 days banz0r
3rd time they catch you --> permaban
Only CCP forgot about the possibility for the botter to sell his character for ISK, buy a new one of the forums after the 2nd catch and start all over again.
Way to go CCP
I hardly think it's the case they don't know that people are able to sell characters, seems more to me that it's you who don't understand bans are account based not character. If you get catch two times using bots on you original character, and get catch again on a new character on the same account you are still getting banned.
oooor after the first one they sell it to an account that hasnt gotten banned yet?
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.30 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Caius Sivaris BTW given that per CCP Fanfest security presentation the security team is three months old does it means it was because of this thread?
If so proving again and again that threadnaught and bad press are a far better efficient lever on CCP than the CSM will ever be?
BINGO!!! We have a winner! disband the useless CSM. They arent doing what they were supposed to do when they were formed (ofc that was impossible)
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.31 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: VaMei
Worse is their record on enforcing the ELUA, allowing blatant violations to go without answer long enough that illegal activities become common enough that broader game play is based on it. The implication is that it's allowed, or at worst so loosely enforced that no one considers the possibility of getting caught.
Exactly, then when they take a hard line with the rules, they stand to lose a ****load of ppl, so they take the "slow burn" thing and tell everyone theyre ready (finally) to be hard asses about it
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.03.31 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Originally by: VaMei
Worse is their record on enforcing the ELUA, allowing blatant violations to go without answer long enough that illegal activities become common enough that broader game play is based on it. The implication is that it's allowed, or at worst so loosely enforced that no one considers the possibility of getting caught.
Exactly, then when they take a hard line with the rules, they stand to lose a ****load of ppl, so they take the "slow burn" thing and tell everyone theyre ready (finally) to be hard asses about it
I only hope that that "slow burn" don't become "too slow burn" and then "no burn"...
IMO with as rampant as is is in this game, anything other than a one or two strikes plan is just saying that theyre not interested in caring about the problem.
There are whole regions where the botters outnumber the players but somehow CCP cant see them.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vantoth I have tried searching for references of "unholy rage" in the forum search but get nothing. Could you enlighten me just to what "unholy rage" consisted of?
a 3 day ban apparently
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia Nice unholy rage there OP
Is it funny that this unholy rage seems to have had far more of an effect than the actual one?
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.04 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Titus Phook
If GM's and the security team have differing views of the EULA & ToS what hope have the players got of getting a clear view of what is allowed & what is not.
none, and im betting they back up banhammering ppl they want sometimes and not others in the same cases with the "we can terminate ppl whenever we want" section in the eula or TOS I cant remember which.
Its not fair, but then it doesnt have to be either, and it doesnt seem like CCP cares wether or not we think its fair.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.04 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 04/04/2011 08:04:19
Originally by: Calistai Huranu Weeks vacation over for ccp sreegs, so any news on when we get the Devblog on this?
I wonder if we arent too mean for him now lol
Id rather like to see them come together and talk TO EACH OTHER on the synergy issue and issue a statement. Theyre acting like they arent in the same company and dont have internal emails or ffs cant talk to each other in person for that matter
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:42:00 -
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So Agility basically means destroy the game
ah I get it
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.05 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs I'd expect more about communicating the ongoing process than I would restating the same things that are available for anyone on youtube at the moment.
...no offense, and I REALLY REALLY dont mean to be mean but you REALLY dont understand the people you are talking to here do you?
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.05 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 05/04/2011 21:12:54
Originally by: riverini
And while CCP bosses has given specific instructions all their employees at not talking to EN24, since we have "gravely exposed critical vulnerabilities in our corporate products without express acknowledgement from CCP",
Knowing the way theyve dealt with this in the past, Im fairly surprised you havent been permabanned like **********
lol elanor, the mod gets you for evading the profanity filter but not the guy you quoted thats done it like 3 times so far
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.06 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 06/04/2011 05:45:33
Originally by: CCP Sreegs I think the most heinous example off the top of my head would be that when a character DOES legally change hands, forcing some new guy to wear a scarlet letter for someone else's actions is a bit of a bummer.
...legally buying a botting account Why do I have the odd feeling that the botters, the real hard core ones, dont sell off the banned characters as much as keep going till they get permmaed.
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
We are aware of character transfers being a loophole and will be closing it. How is still a matter of internal discussion.
:edit: It's really not much of a loophole but is not where it should be from my perspective
this is why you fail.
seriously.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.06 06:42:00 -
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Then theres the
bot player gets 2 strikes, you sell the character, make a new one woo continue...
unless the bot flag is against the account, then yeah, I see how the loophole is small
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
B) If you're going to comment typically you'd provide some input. Why did I "fail"?
input: char a gets 2 infractions and is sold off and a new character made. Rinse, repeat. Botting continues Rules fail at this point.
THAT is why
and lol at not seeing botters RUINING OUR GAME
as as bad as hackers...
that is also why you fail Good to know, however, your stance on it out in the open.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.07 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod char a gets 2 infractions and is sold off and a new character made. Rinse, repeat. Botting continues
Rules fail at this point.
And you don't think that is the pattern even if the character can't be sold?, it would be the same even if you would get banned on first offense.
"char a gets banned and a new character made. Rinse, repeat. Botting continues"
They DONT ban the account??
Wow they really dont care about botting lol
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:31:00 -
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cant let this thread die even with the loltastic demise of the new forums ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs |
Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.10 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 10/04/2011 17:32:10
Originally by: Severian Carnifex @ CCP Sreegs:
Can you tell us when we can expect Devblog on this subject?
Soon(tm) the failboat of the forums comes first
Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Shandir CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account? Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.
I support underlined part... so... account that is sanctioned for botting cant use Character Transfer any more...
as I understand it from what Sreeg already said, they flag the account for botting, hows selling the char matter? unless theyre PLEXxing a new account and selling the botting char to that one... ah I get it ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs |
Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.10 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev Edited by: Lubomir Penev on 10/04/2011 11:12:54
Originally by: Shandir CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account? Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.
That would crash PLEX market, and CCP somehow like its PLEX despite them being the biggest botting enabler, because they are not content with our subscription money but want their share of the RMT pie too. That's actually the root of the issue but it won't be addressed any time soon. Forbid playing without a valid CC and much of the casual botting etc is dead, only hardcore criminals are left that rely on credit card fraud and thus not only have CCP on their back but law enforcement.
But CCP is far too corrupt to ever do this, lets get real one moment. They tasted the RMT money and they want more, even if this will kill their game medium term...
+1 like
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 10/04/2011 17:32:10
Originally by: Severian Carnifex @ CCP Sreegs:
Can you tell us when we can expect Devblog on this subject?
Soon(tm) the failboat of the forums comes first
Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Shandir CCP Sreegs - any objection to removing the option to A) PLEX, and B) Character Transfer on a 1st and 2nd warning botting account? Both of these would cripple profitability, while allowing legitimate players to continue playing.
I support underlined part... so... account that is sanctioned for botting cant use Character Transfer any more...
as I understand it from what Sreeg already said, they flag the account for botting, hows selling the char matter? unless theyre PLEXxing a new account and selling the botting char to that one... ah I get it
Not only becouse they are selling botting chars to other account that is in hands of the same person... thats problem too but it can be tracked and controlled... but becouse they sell that char... get isk... and then they buy new char on new account... that cant be tracked... or... they dont buy new char... they pay with that isk plexes for fiew new chars that in short time become full skilled botting chars... and that cant be tracked too... so... with removing character transfer option form all accs that ever bot... that would remove them option to continue doing so with that char or char that is bought with that char...
sorry for bad spelling... writing in hurry...
Yeah that was more sarcasm than anything, hoping someone else would step up and tell sreegs that theres more than a little to worry about issue here
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.15 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 16:13:20 Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 15:40:04 Out of curiosity, how many destroyers would it take to kill an untanked Hulk? I tried logging into the test server last night to find out, but it wouldn't load.
In related news, PL guy kills Russian botter, and gets kicked from PL as a result.
Edit - EN24 link
Also, thanks to Barrakus for this.. interesting pics
So... would the alliance in this case (or at least the command staff of it) ALL get a first level punishment, or is this in the realm of CCP doesnt care?
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.15 13:09:00 -
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Funny thing about that; wonder if theyll lose more actual players to their inactivity over the issue, especially in 0.0
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.18 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 02:37:02
Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject?
if you missed it, I did too. The last blog I read was about the forum ****up.
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Nah, you're not missing nothing. The forum fiasco was planned so they could say they were really busy fixing it but instead go on holiday.
Im honestly actually thinking this way, especially how OBVIOUS a ****up that security mistake was and how Sreegs was all about the breach not being his department. It was such an obvious thing to see and test, how could they miss it unless it was on purpose.
Originally by: Minarete Screw all this Bull***, go to EVE 2.0 and leave all this behind, too much mucking around to fix all of it.
On another note.... SWToR is looking promising for Industrial type persons like me, an established char can have up to 5 "Companions" working for them back at their own ship (or Guild Capitol Ship in the future), and take another one along with you, and one more off doing gathering type tasks by them self, all at the same time. I truely believe, when SWToR releases later this year, it will drain EVE more than people realize, and all of these dynamics and bots you people are complaining about now, are going to take another change direction.
Anyway, carry on with your Bot Raging, I am anticipating that my 9 accounts will be going dorment with SWToR, not getting rid of them, just letting them go dorment. 4 Mining accts, 1 Orca, 1 Hauler, 2 missioning, one dedicated trade, with research/PI chars scattered among them.
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Yeah cause SWTOR wont have bots. Ever.
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.
Or that they literally need a million subs (not box sales, full on continuous subs) to get out of the red the first year (an that estimate was from like last year, which means they will likely need even more subs).
Originally by: Minarete
Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...
lol YOU bring up the topic "SWTOR is better than EVE" on the EVE-O and youre butthurt when ppl defend EVE? Try this argument on the SWTOR forums. you might havea more positive conversation.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.18 05:12:00 -
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Hey Sreegs, Can you comment on wether or not this is legal? Dude changed the title of the thread but it used to be "is it legal to use a tool that..."
Linkage
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.18 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Minarete
Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...
Makes you look butthurt when you are the one that brought it up to start with. You bring it up, then ppl shoot you down, then you try to kill the argument with "ok lets talk about botting" its just funny.
and every game that ever comes out ppl are spouting how theyre gonna take ppl from this game or this game is gonna die etc etc etc. Happens in every MMO. Every game that comes out is gonna "kill WoW" too lol Its likely that at first there will be a bunch of the "ooo a new MMO must play" ppl that will jump ship but I doubt any more people will leave this game than those types. We're really better off without them, cause those are the ones that scream the loudest to turn the game theyre currently playing into the game thay last liked best and theyre the first to jump ship (after all the screaming about those changes) when the next "shiny" comes out.
as for my age/maturity, Yeah I care what ppl think of this character on a forum of a video game lol
try that insult again its funny
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.18 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Minarete
You Sir, are reading far more emotion in to all of this than should be, it is just a game, it is just a game, repeat that, and maybe I will see you in the next one.. [/quote
lol
yer a funny guy you know? thanks for the laughs
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